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5/18/2006 12:48 PM
 
leupold wrote

it is the same as with every version - it will be released, when it is ready.

Im would guess, it will take some weeks, noth months, from now, but this depends on experiences during testing - and I am sure, you will prefer a stable release instead of an early one with issues not solved.

Please never forget: this is a volunteer project!

Leupold and Crispy,

You are perfectly right, and we all know that this is the rule of the game. We accept it.

However, the case here is a bit different because :

1. beta 2 has several times be announced as 'in a couple of days' or 'at the end of this week'
2. It was announced as a beta, not as a final release, so why not deliver early a beta ?
3. It IS ready, (at least as beta 2), since it has been submitted to the core
4. If the core suddenly decides to release an early final 1.00.01 instead of a beta 2 ; great ! - but why not say that clearly - ok guys, there's a bad news and a good news - the bad news is it will be delayed - the good news: it will be a final
5. If the intention is to release together with the next DNN core version, as a fireworks of good surprises, OK again, that's clever marketing, but it is a bit against the former strategy to separate sub projects from the core so they could have independant lifecycles.
6. I was helping with this module for localization testings (in a very modest way), but I have lost my contact.

I hope this does not give a feeling of complaint in any way. I just think that a beta 2 should be published early as a courtesy to the guys who tested beta 1 and gave a feedback. For the final release,  I think that the core team is perfectly wise to release when they think it's time. 

 

 


 

 

 

 


Benoît Sarton
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5/18/2006 1:27 PM
 

Benoit,

I have to admit, that in my first answer, I did not realize, that the qustion was regarding the Store module - my answer was targeting at the core release. But in General, it is the same, and in an volunteer project, you allways have to be aware, that time frames can slip according to missing resources and unexpected issues found during testing. I disagree, that in this case a buggy version should be released, instead it is a decision made by the project lead, whether the module is in the right state, to be presented to the public. Most of the team leads have that learning curve, that they need to be cautious about giving exact time lines and sometimes even vague promises cannot be kept. I know from my own experiences as a user AND team lead, how different points of views are - and I still don't have a solution. 


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Sebastian Leupold

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5/18/2006 11:25 PM
 

Crispy,

I just wanted to say thanks for your reply. It is comforting to know that even a core team member has similar experiences.

I still think that the current model mostly breeds an "us and them" or "provider and consumer" community. But at least feedback is heard and discussed and that is the truely important thing because it means there is always a very real possibility of improvement. So ... thanks for listening!

 
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5/18/2006 11:44 PM
 
gsc4, thanks for trying to see from the other side of the fence instead of coming in just frustrated. Most of the core teamers are well aware of the "us and them" mentality that you mention and that is not the case at all. Nobody in the Core Team wants it to be that way. It's almost like a relationship, you even get mad at your best friends sometimes (or spouse ;) ). I think I speak for all the team members when I say that we are listening to all the feedback and we are always trying to improve every aspect of the "DotNetNuke" experience, so don't ever think the voice of the community is not heard.

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5/24/2006 4:26 AM
 

I  agree that the release dates are too slow to get a final store working within say 1 year. I suggested already to help building the store, however, it is not clear how I can contribute to this open source project except the people in the core team (who seem quite unstaffed according to the issues open and the road map in front). I would like to contribute in building the store by adding paid developers to increase developing speed if needed. But maybe this is not the idea of this open source project.

What I rather would suggest is that the core team defines the complete datamodel according to the roadmap first . In this way developers can step in and enhance the store with their own components around a solid datamodel. This will avoid mismatching datamodels and avoid spending many resources in engineering back to a DNN store. I would like to know if somebody has a data model of the entire store and/or its scripts to script in into a database to allow developers to continue their own store products.

 
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